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Originally Posted by doreen Letīs just see where this line of thinking goes ... yes, many Roma are/have been involved in pickpocketing & begging, so itīs okay to fingerprint every Roma ... and many blue eyed blond young men in London carry knives or even guns, so we can discriminate against every blue eyed blond boy in London ... and the Irish are known to be a nation of drinkers, so letīs ban them from driving
... and the very obvious parrallel to the Jews in Hitlerīs Germany - same thinking
PS yes, Perikles, the term Roma is long established and the preferred name of the Romani see Romani.org Home Page Although the Romani people are often referred to as "Gypsies" (and prefer to be called by their more proper designation, Roma), not all "gypsies" or nomadic peoples are Roma. The Roma are descendants of the ancient warrior classes of Northern India, particularly the Punjab, and they are identifiable by their language, religion, and customs, which can be directly linked to those of the Punjabi in northern India. |
Mmm...
just looked at the link, the first few lines or so of which read
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Dedicated to the Roma for their recognition as a people and as a nation, and
To their struggle for freedom and against persecution and oppression worldwide.
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Haven't we heard things like this too, on the other side, before? A great deal of atrocity has been committed elsewhere in the name of a nomadic people's need for "recognition as a people and a nation" ... a nation?
This automatically makes me further suspicious about the reason I clicked the link to begin with. This claim of descent from "the ancient warrior classes of Northern India, particularly the Punjab" doesn't sit well with me. What do they mean by "identifiable by their language, religion, and customs, which can be directly linked to those of the Punjabi in northern India". This is a Sikh area ... do the Roma gypsies wear turbans? Do they bear the five holy items?
This isn't trivialising it, but calling it out for the spurious claim it probably is. It is possibly a misconceived association with Northern Indian (Indo-European) linguistic and cultural roots ... but the point of that is that we can all, each and every one of us, make the same claim. That's where our modern languages started.
Gypsies have long been associated with theft, there is nothing new with that, and I wonder if this legal ruling isn't some sort of tacit recognition of the fact, and a legal judgement that people can't actually be blamed for continuing a discrimination that has existed for ages, and which has recognizable justification a considerable amount of the time.