NIE Questions and Answers Thread

[Janet©]

There is a thread HERE with information on how to fill out the NIE application form, and the procedure to follow to get your NIE.

I was at the police station yesterday morning at 7,30 or shortly afterwards, and was horrified that the queue stretched to the carpark. Normally I'm about halfway down the pavement if I get there at that time, about under the entrance court.

In the event, though, once they'd come out at 9 o'clock and divided the queue into Spanish and others, it really wasn't that bad, and I got numbers 17 and 18 for the people I was with. We were out by 10 am, and there is presently a three-day only wait for the NIEs to be issued. Not bad at all!

Just a tip: when you get your numbers, there is either an A or B on your slip as well as the number itself. For NIEs, it should be an A, but do check. When you get inside, you'll see two electronic counters with numbers on: one is counter A, the other is counter B. Make sure you are watching the one with your particular letter on as well as your number!

[CornflakeGirl]

Ok, here's a bit of a toughie. We have these new tenants who want to sort out all their paperwork. It's a couple with their two grandchildren; the kids do no longer live with either of their parents (who are in the UK) and there is no official paper saying that the grandparents have the children.
They went to the police-station to get the forms for their NIE number; instead they were given the forms for the Certificado de Registro. The law hasn't changed, has it? i.e. you still need an NIE no. before you can apply for the Certificado de Registro?
I'll get the correct forms for them online... but will the kids be able to get theirs just with their passport, too?
Now, for the Registro, for which they'll apply afterwards, they have an information sheet about what the children will need, among others:
- translated and officially stamped birth certificate: could anybody please point me towards some official translators? (To be honest, I don't want to get involved too much and just want to tell them where to go for that) I know there used to be one in the Edificio Eden, a Swiss or German girl called Nicole but not sure she's still there. I assume they do it at the law courts in Los Cristianos!?
- certificado de empadronamiento: I will fill in a Contrato de Arrendamiento de Fincas Urbanas for the adults, so that they have proof of where they live. Will the ayuntamiento accept that the children live there, too? (They both have different surnames, none matching that of the grandparents'!!)
- the passport of one of the parents (original and photocopy): now THAT is a problem really... the mother won't be visiting till the summer or so - any thoughts on that??

Help, please!

[Janet©]

Originally Posted by CornflakeGirl

They went to the police-station to get the forms for their NIE number; instead they were given the forms for the Certificado de Registro. The law hasn't changed, has it? i.e. you still need an NIE no. before you can apply for the Certificado de Registro?

If you don't have a NIE when you apply for a Registro then you are given one along with your registro as part of the process.

Originally Posted by CornflakeGirl

I'll get the correct forms for them online... but will the kids be able to get theirs just with their passport, too?

Why would the children need them?

Originally Posted by CornflakeGirl

could anybody please point me towards some official translators?

Try these people ... think they're in Las Galletas. They're sworn translators as well as a language institute.

Originally Posted by CornflakeGirl

certificado de empadronamiento: I will fill in a Contrato de Arrendamiento de Fincas Urbanas for the adults, so that they have proof of where they live. Will the ayuntamiento accept that the children live there, too? (They both have different surnames, none matching that of the grandparents'!!)

Why not just give the adults the rental contract and not acknowledge that they've got grandchildren "staying for the summer" ..... ??

Originally Posted by CornflakeGirl

the passport of one of the parents (original and photocopy): now THAT is a problem really... the mother won't be visiting till the summer or so - any thoughts on that??

Spanish embassy for a validated copy which is then couriered over to you ... can't think of an alternative. Will this really be necessary though?

[CornflakeGirl]

Originally Posted by Janet

If you don't have a NIE when you apply for a Registro then you are given one along with your registro as part of the process.
Why would the children need them?

Try these people ... think they're in Las Galletas. They're sworn translators as well as a language institute.
Why not just give the adults the rental contract and not acknowledge that they've got grandchildren "staying for the summer" ..... ??
Spanish embassy for a validated copy which is then couriered over to you ... can't think of an alternative. Will this really be necessary though?

Ok, so they'll just fill in the Certificado de Registro forms and get the NIE no. at the same time!?
The kids will need the paperwork as well because they'll stay here... they will go to school after all! And I don't think you can just register them in a school without official paperwork, can you?
Thanks for the link about the translators... the only problem is (forgot to mention) that these people don't have a car, so they'd need somebody in PDAL or LC.

[Karen]

There are three buses an hour to Las Galletas. So that shouldn't be a problem. The grandchildren will need some type of paperwork to get them registered at the doctors. As for the translations if you are lucky the police will accept their applications with out them - like I said lucky. As for different surnames, that will make no difference. Look at the Spanish. Mother and father have different surnames and their children's are a combination of both, so different again to parents.

[CornflakeGirl]

Originally Posted by Karen

Mother and father have different surnames and their children's are a combination of both, so different again to parents.

exactly - you can still tell that the mother and father could be the kid's parents... whereas if you fill in the forms for the certificado de registro for these children: mother's and father's given name will not match that of the grandparents; nor will their surnames...
i am actually surprised that they are allowed to move away to another country with the grandchildren when they have no paper stating that they have custody over them.

actually, looking through the info sheet, it also says that you need to show one of the parents' certificado de registro or tarjeta de residencia...
i think i'll tell them to get a gestoria for sorting out the children's paperwork.

[goldenmaniac]

Originally Posted by CornflakeGirl

They went to the police-station to get the forms for their NIE number; instead they were given the forms for the Certificado de Registro. The law hasn't changed, has it? i.e. you still need an NIE no. before you can apply for the Certificado de Registro?

If you are staying longer than 3 months you DO NOT need to get the white NIE first you can jump straight to the Green certificate pay the 6.80 tax on your passport number and get issued a NIE number as part of the green certificate

However if they are returning to UK reasonably quickly there is no point in doing that because they would have to queue again to Baja (rescind) the green certificate and pay another 6.80- they really need to apply for white NIE certificate and pay the 9 euros tax

I'll get the correct forms for them online

- don't forget you can't get the carbonised paying in form on line you have to get that from the Police station and then pay the fee at a bank

but will the kids be able to get theirs just with their passport, too?

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non resident children are not required to have an NIE white certificate, in fact they can't get one under 16

.. Now, for the Registro, for which they'll apply afterwards

see above

certificado de empadronamiento: I will fill in a Contrato de Arrendamiento de Fincas Urbanas for the adults, so that they have proof of where they live. Will the ayuntamiento accept that the children live there, too? (They both have different surnames, none matching that of the grandparents'!!)

If they are staying and are going to apply for certificates of registro.They have to also have a certificate of convivencia from the town hall, this involves a visit from the Policia local at an unspecified time to prove the children are living at that address if you're not in they ask the neighbours. In Arona this also involves getting the rentalcontract ratified at the Hacienda check with your own town hall to be sure

- the passport of one of the parents (original and photocopy): now THAT is a problem really... the mother won't be visiting till the summer or so - any thoughts on that??

As I mentioned above I can't really see why they need to apply at all unless they are going to be staying and going to school here - in which case they will have to wait for the mother to come out and get round it that way

[CornflakeGirl]

i've already said - they are going to be living here permanently and the kids need to be enrolled in school as soon as possible! which is why the kids need to have the certificado de registro.
it sounds like this could get quite complicated, so it might be good if they involved a company to sort everything out for them. i don't want to get too involved myself because already they come running with every tiny problem they have... when all i do is rent out apartments!
thanks for everybody's input!! you're great and have helped loads

[Ethan]

Originally Posted by goldenmaniac

- don't forget you can't get the carbonised paying in form on line you have to get that from the Police station and then pay the fee at a bank

Is the one you can get online sufficient or do I need the one you get from the police station?

Also where is the online form, I clicked the link and was just sent to this thread.

Cheers

Ethan

[Janet©]

As goldenmaniac says, you cannot download the modelo, but need to go to the police station to collect one, take it to the bank to pay your 9€, and then take the receipt and your application form (plus copy) to the police station. Don't forget your passport and a copy too.

The link you clicked to send you to this thread might have been the Information thread HERE. The two threads are linked.

The link to download the NIE application form is HERE. It's the second "HERE" on the other thread.